Hello,
I want to join Amway, but I find that when people tell me of their success they can't prove it. I do not want to join under someone with a dream, but someone with real results. When I say real results, I do not want to see fancy cars, but evidence of money made. Anyone can finance a car, after all.
After reading through this forum, an IBO said he'd be posting his actual financial statements. I'd like to see that - minus info like SSN and such.
Thanks,
Polly
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How much amway platinum earns?
Re: How much amway platinum earns?
by I Want to Join - Polly on Thu Aug 25, 2011 4:08 am
- I Want to Join - Polly
Re: How much amway platinum earns?
by Just Another Dream Stealing Loser on Sun Sep 11, 2011 11:53 pm
Polly,
I personally find it amazing that you posted that 3 weeks ago and not a single IBO has posted that they would show you real results, or at least come up with something lame like how their success has nothing to do with your success.
I have many friends in it and I'm sad that we don't spend as much time together as we used to. While I hope that they are free and rich in the near future, I've found that they are actually worse off than they had been before, not only financially, but personally. I can't even ask genuinely interested questions about their business without them becoming defensive about it. And as time goes by I'm finding that they think I'm the bad guy for not joining.
I've got a few stories about this and they really bother me, but I won't bore you with the details. All I can say is that it's surprising to that you posted this and no one got back to you. But I guess it's not surprising at all. They never have real results, just flash and pizazz.
I personally find it amazing that you posted that 3 weeks ago and not a single IBO has posted that they would show you real results, or at least come up with something lame like how their success has nothing to do with your success.
I have many friends in it and I'm sad that we don't spend as much time together as we used to. While I hope that they are free and rich in the near future, I've found that they are actually worse off than they had been before, not only financially, but personally. I can't even ask genuinely interested questions about their business without them becoming defensive about it. And as time goes by I'm finding that they think I'm the bad guy for not joining.
I've got a few stories about this and they really bother me, but I won't bore you with the details. All I can say is that it's surprising to that you posted this and no one got back to you. But I guess it's not surprising at all. They never have real results, just flash and pizazz.
- Just Another Dream Stealing Loser
Re: How much amway platinum earns?
by Jose from NY on Thu Oct 06, 2011 10:06 am
Hello all,
My name is Jose and I have been an Amway IBO for about 9 months now. I hope my story can shed some light to all those naysayers.
When I first got into Amway I was a nervous wreck because all I ever read on the internet was how horrible Amway is and all I kept seeing was negative come up on every page I clicked on. I still signed up and I figured if I don't like the products I'll just cancel my membership within the 3 month grace period and be done with it. Reason being, if I didn't like the products there was no way I was going to promote it, sell it, or even mention Amway to people. I wanted to make sure the business was legit but I wanted to find out on my own and not from reading the internet, which at this point and time is really just a place where anyone can post anything at any time from any place, but it doesn't make any of it true, either positively or negatively.
I didn't quite understand how I was going to sell Amway detergent for $28 a bottle, Nutrilite vitamins that were much more expensive than the drug store brands, nor Artistry skin care and cosmetics from a brand most people never heard of. However, I was determined to make it work and make it work the right way. I also was not going to believe anything anyone in Amway told me just because I am, by nature, a skeptical person and I don't think very highly of people, especially living in NY where everyone is trying to make a buck and messing up other's lives to do it. But, once again I was going to form my own opinion and not listen to anyone inside or outside of Amway. Now the question was, what can I do and where can I begin.
This is where my analytical and research skills came into play. My upline Emerald, when I confronted him about the price of vitamins and pretty much gave him an earful, gave me the best advice without directly answering my question. He said "find out how vitamins are made and you'll find your answer". So I went to yahoo.com and searched "synthetic vs organic vitamins". Bam...tons of information about how almost all vitamins in stores are synthetic (white is why they are all white or pink in color and smell horrible) and how little macronutrients called bioflavinoids are destroyed and/or can not be manmade which are essential for your body to absorb vitamins. That let me down a path about how your body needs vitamins to absorb vitamins (like you need calcium to absorb vitamin D and vitamin D alone can lead to calcium deficiency). Nobody in the big national or local stores ever told me that. I did this type of research for a few months about almost every Nutrilite vitamin. I then felt comfortable with the knowledge I learned that I could now sell Nutrlite vitamins without an issue. I moved onto the cleaning products.
Next was the laundry detergents and kitchen/bathroom/window cleaners. I read all the negativity about how concentration claims in Amway are not true and/or overexaggerated. Once again I decided to use my math skills and my real world application of the liquid detergents to the test. I live with 6 people and we all do laundry once a week after we stock up on dirty clothes (house doesn't smell LOL). We used to buy the 170oz bottle of a national brand in the wholesale club for $28. The front of the bottle said 110 loads. The Amway bottle was only 100 oz and said 100 loads. My concern, why would someone buy Amway detergent when it's a smaller bottle and doesn't wash as much. Here's where marketing came in. It's called FINE PRINT. When you read the fine print in the national brand bottle it says the 110 load is at a small load, but since it's in fine print nobody ever reads it. I did the math and realized with a large load in my house (again 6 people were washing large loads once a week) that averaged out to only 86 loads for the national brand. Not to mention 99% of the national brands contain a chemical called Borax which is a mild bleaching agent, and almost all of them contain perfumes. Therefore, the national brands clean your clothes by fading and bleaching, but since Borax is not chlorine based like other bleaches, legally they don't have to say it contains bleach. They also put perfumes in because most people associate a clean scent with clean clothes when in reality one has nothing to do with the other. You can take dirty boxers and douse it with cologne but all that does is make you have nice smelling stained boxers. The Amway bottle is 100 loads at medium, but that's a medium sized laundromat machine, not my household size machine. Therefore the medium load on the Amway bottle was actually a large load in my house, so you get MORE out of the bottle and Amway understates the value. Now I was able to explain why the Amway bottle is smaller yet gets more washes than the much larger national brand. I did a real world test and got 2 more weeks out of the Amway than national brand, and they are both the same price. I also did research on why national brand makes a cold water, a regular, and a free and gentle formula and why Amway only has 1 formula.
1 - national brand regular formula does not dissolve in cold water same as you can't brew coffee using cold water.
2 - national brand Cold water was an altered version of the regular formula. Therefore, national brand spent more money to alter the regular formula to make it dissolve in cold water, which is why you NEVER see it in wholesale club. It will eat into their profits. So the national brands sell the cheapest stuff in the wholesale clubs just to get you to buy it. The wholesale clubs don't make money on the products, they make it on the memberships. So it becomes one big marketing scheme and the person who pays the most and gets the least is you, the customer.
3 - national brand Gentle formula is the regular national brand with an ingredient in it that softens water. You know the white stains you get on a shower door after water dries. Well that's what's left in your clothes if you don't soften the water. Cloudy water is actually good because that means the calcium is being taken out of the water and down the drain, so it doesn't stay in your clothes and make you itch.
The Amway detergent does all 3 in 1 bottle.
I then did research on Artistry and what they had as compared to the top brands sold in malls. Artistry products are of the same quality (I know because I use it myself) but much, much cheaper, not as greasy, and you don't have to use nearly as much as you do with the store brands. This alone gets people to buy products. I also do parties and give free skin treatments and what not. That makes such a difference. There are also only a few manufacturers of the makeup, Artistry being one of them. The drug stores end up buying the left over stuff that the mall brands can't sell so when you go to the drugstore you get the mall brand left overs, which is why it's so cheap and feels like grease and cream.
Most shampoos also have formaldehyde (yes the stuff used to clean dead bodies) in it. However, they don't call it formaldehyde. Look at the ingredients of your bottle. It's listed as Quaternium-xx (xx is a number example Quaternium-15). Baby shampoos are notorious for having this in it. I know this is true because my sister-in-law, who is a nurse in the pediatric intensive care unit in a major hospital in NY, was told this during her schooling for her masters degree so when I mentioned it she told me "Yeah I know we learned that in school".
After learning all this, I am now equipped to educate customers, and be able to sell things to people and have them understand WHY they should buy Amway. I was able to make about $200 a month in profit, and this was calculated since day 1 when I spent more in expenses than selling for profit. The first few months I did spend my own money to get Artistry demo kits, get trained on how to use some of our equipment, and bought some products I ran out of in the house, but got from Amway instead of my local supermarket. Once I did that and personally saw how well the Amway products works, I kept replacing things in my house month after month. So even after I spent money on the business expenses I was still able to come out ahead and I have been in the black since the third month till now. I then took the money I made from my business and paid myself back so now I don't spend personal money anymore.
Amway is a great opportunity for those that are willing to put the work into it. Now, 9 months into it, I am more than able to extend my personal experiences and talk to people about the opportunity. Yeah, most people won't join, but that doesn't matter. I want those that are willing to put the work and just learn. I teach my downline and give them my personal testimony. I am transparent in what I say and do because I feel that's probably the biggest reason for the negativity.
I hope my story helps educate people into how Amway is, what I have learned, and how marketing plays a huge role in the supermarket brands. It's the hidden information the national brands don't want you to know that makes it easy to tell Amway. But again, I learned all this myself and now I teach my downline this so they can be profitable. I do not mention the CD's, meetings, conventions and what not until my downline has a customer base where they can afford to take their profits and reinvest in their tools. After all, Amway is designed to make you gain money, not lose it. My upline taught me this and it worked for me so that's what I teach to my downline so it can work for them.
I obviously can't mention the national store brands and things like that for legal reasons but it's not one of those cheap brands. I never buy bargain stuff because you get what you pay for.
My name is Jose and I have been an Amway IBO for about 9 months now. I hope my story can shed some light to all those naysayers.
When I first got into Amway I was a nervous wreck because all I ever read on the internet was how horrible Amway is and all I kept seeing was negative come up on every page I clicked on. I still signed up and I figured if I don't like the products I'll just cancel my membership within the 3 month grace period and be done with it. Reason being, if I didn't like the products there was no way I was going to promote it, sell it, or even mention Amway to people. I wanted to make sure the business was legit but I wanted to find out on my own and not from reading the internet, which at this point and time is really just a place where anyone can post anything at any time from any place, but it doesn't make any of it true, either positively or negatively.
I didn't quite understand how I was going to sell Amway detergent for $28 a bottle, Nutrilite vitamins that were much more expensive than the drug store brands, nor Artistry skin care and cosmetics from a brand most people never heard of. However, I was determined to make it work and make it work the right way. I also was not going to believe anything anyone in Amway told me just because I am, by nature, a skeptical person and I don't think very highly of people, especially living in NY where everyone is trying to make a buck and messing up other's lives to do it. But, once again I was going to form my own opinion and not listen to anyone inside or outside of Amway. Now the question was, what can I do and where can I begin.
This is where my analytical and research skills came into play. My upline Emerald, when I confronted him about the price of vitamins and pretty much gave him an earful, gave me the best advice without directly answering my question. He said "find out how vitamins are made and you'll find your answer". So I went to yahoo.com and searched "synthetic vs organic vitamins". Bam...tons of information about how almost all vitamins in stores are synthetic (white is why they are all white or pink in color and smell horrible) and how little macronutrients called bioflavinoids are destroyed and/or can not be manmade which are essential for your body to absorb vitamins. That let me down a path about how your body needs vitamins to absorb vitamins (like you need calcium to absorb vitamin D and vitamin D alone can lead to calcium deficiency). Nobody in the big national or local stores ever told me that. I did this type of research for a few months about almost every Nutrilite vitamin. I then felt comfortable with the knowledge I learned that I could now sell Nutrlite vitamins without an issue. I moved onto the cleaning products.
Next was the laundry detergents and kitchen/bathroom/window cleaners. I read all the negativity about how concentration claims in Amway are not true and/or overexaggerated. Once again I decided to use my math skills and my real world application of the liquid detergents to the test. I live with 6 people and we all do laundry once a week after we stock up on dirty clothes (house doesn't smell LOL). We used to buy the 170oz bottle of a national brand in the wholesale club for $28. The front of the bottle said 110 loads. The Amway bottle was only 100 oz and said 100 loads. My concern, why would someone buy Amway detergent when it's a smaller bottle and doesn't wash as much. Here's where marketing came in. It's called FINE PRINT. When you read the fine print in the national brand bottle it says the 110 load is at a small load, but since it's in fine print nobody ever reads it. I did the math and realized with a large load in my house (again 6 people were washing large loads once a week) that averaged out to only 86 loads for the national brand. Not to mention 99% of the national brands contain a chemical called Borax which is a mild bleaching agent, and almost all of them contain perfumes. Therefore, the national brands clean your clothes by fading and bleaching, but since Borax is not chlorine based like other bleaches, legally they don't have to say it contains bleach. They also put perfumes in because most people associate a clean scent with clean clothes when in reality one has nothing to do with the other. You can take dirty boxers and douse it with cologne but all that does is make you have nice smelling stained boxers. The Amway bottle is 100 loads at medium, but that's a medium sized laundromat machine, not my household size machine. Therefore the medium load on the Amway bottle was actually a large load in my house, so you get MORE out of the bottle and Amway understates the value. Now I was able to explain why the Amway bottle is smaller yet gets more washes than the much larger national brand. I did a real world test and got 2 more weeks out of the Amway than national brand, and they are both the same price. I also did research on why national brand makes a cold water, a regular, and a free and gentle formula and why Amway only has 1 formula.
1 - national brand regular formula does not dissolve in cold water same as you can't brew coffee using cold water.
2 - national brand Cold water was an altered version of the regular formula. Therefore, national brand spent more money to alter the regular formula to make it dissolve in cold water, which is why you NEVER see it in wholesale club. It will eat into their profits. So the national brands sell the cheapest stuff in the wholesale clubs just to get you to buy it. The wholesale clubs don't make money on the products, they make it on the memberships. So it becomes one big marketing scheme and the person who pays the most and gets the least is you, the customer.
3 - national brand Gentle formula is the regular national brand with an ingredient in it that softens water. You know the white stains you get on a shower door after water dries. Well that's what's left in your clothes if you don't soften the water. Cloudy water is actually good because that means the calcium is being taken out of the water and down the drain, so it doesn't stay in your clothes and make you itch.
The Amway detergent does all 3 in 1 bottle.
I then did research on Artistry and what they had as compared to the top brands sold in malls. Artistry products are of the same quality (I know because I use it myself) but much, much cheaper, not as greasy, and you don't have to use nearly as much as you do with the store brands. This alone gets people to buy products. I also do parties and give free skin treatments and what not. That makes such a difference. There are also only a few manufacturers of the makeup, Artistry being one of them. The drug stores end up buying the left over stuff that the mall brands can't sell so when you go to the drugstore you get the mall brand left overs, which is why it's so cheap and feels like grease and cream.
Most shampoos also have formaldehyde (yes the stuff used to clean dead bodies) in it. However, they don't call it formaldehyde. Look at the ingredients of your bottle. It's listed as Quaternium-xx (xx is a number example Quaternium-15). Baby shampoos are notorious for having this in it. I know this is true because my sister-in-law, who is a nurse in the pediatric intensive care unit in a major hospital in NY, was told this during her schooling for her masters degree so when I mentioned it she told me "Yeah I know we learned that in school".
After learning all this, I am now equipped to educate customers, and be able to sell things to people and have them understand WHY they should buy Amway. I was able to make about $200 a month in profit, and this was calculated since day 1 when I spent more in expenses than selling for profit. The first few months I did spend my own money to get Artistry demo kits, get trained on how to use some of our equipment, and bought some products I ran out of in the house, but got from Amway instead of my local supermarket. Once I did that and personally saw how well the Amway products works, I kept replacing things in my house month after month. So even after I spent money on the business expenses I was still able to come out ahead and I have been in the black since the third month till now. I then took the money I made from my business and paid myself back so now I don't spend personal money anymore.
Amway is a great opportunity for those that are willing to put the work into it. Now, 9 months into it, I am more than able to extend my personal experiences and talk to people about the opportunity. Yeah, most people won't join, but that doesn't matter. I want those that are willing to put the work and just learn. I teach my downline and give them my personal testimony. I am transparent in what I say and do because I feel that's probably the biggest reason for the negativity.
I hope my story helps educate people into how Amway is, what I have learned, and how marketing plays a huge role in the supermarket brands. It's the hidden information the national brands don't want you to know that makes it easy to tell Amway. But again, I learned all this myself and now I teach my downline this so they can be profitable. I do not mention the CD's, meetings, conventions and what not until my downline has a customer base where they can afford to take their profits and reinvest in their tools. After all, Amway is designed to make you gain money, not lose it. My upline taught me this and it worked for me so that's what I teach to my downline so it can work for them.
I obviously can't mention the national store brands and things like that for legal reasons but it's not one of those cheap brands. I never buy bargain stuff because you get what you pay for.
- Jose from NY
Re: How much amway platinum earns?
by Jose on Thu Oct 06, 2011 10:07 am
I would also like to point out I am not a platinum so I can't answer the question directly, but I hope my answers can help people that want to become platinum.
- Jose
Re: How much amway platinum earns?
by Polly on Tue Nov 08, 2011 11:11 am
Hey Jose,
Thanks for posting something. I have never seen a negative thing written about the cleaning products, but would be interested to see it because the cleaning products have always been touted as being very good from anywhere I've read. Please post the link when you have the time.
Going back a few pages I found this article on Platinum income
http://christopher-pascale.suite101.com ... ke-a199784
What are your views on this?
Thanks for posting something. I have never seen a negative thing written about the cleaning products, but would be interested to see it because the cleaning products have always been touted as being very good from anywhere I've read. Please post the link when you have the time.
Going back a few pages I found this article on Platinum income
http://christopher-pascale.suite101.com ... ke-a199784
What are your views on this?
- Polly
Re: How much amway platinum earns?
by Guest on Thu Dec 29, 2011 2:10 am
Just Another Dream Stealing Loser wrote:Polly,
I personally find it amazing that you posted that 3 weeks ago and not a single IBO has posted that they would show you real results, or at least come up with something lame like how their success has nothing to do with your success.
I have many friends in it and I'm sad that we don't spend as much time together as we used to. While I hope that they are free and rich in the near future, I've found that they are actually worse off than they had been before, not only financially, but personally. I can't even ask genuinely interested questions about their business without them becoming defensive about it. And as time goes by I'm finding that they think I'm the bad guy for not joining.
I've got a few stories about this and they really bother me, but I won't bore you with the details. All I can say is that it's surprising to that you posted this and no one got back to you. But I guess it's not surprising at all. They never have real results, just flash and pizazz.
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Re: How much amway platinum earns?
by Susiebonita on Mon Jan 09, 2012 4:20 pm
Dang, that shut him up ... Lol
- Susiebonita
Re: How much amway platinum earns?
by JM on Mon Jan 30, 2012 11:28 pm
Hello everyone.... I am an Ibo a young man 18 years old. i am a college student and i work at a entertainment restaurant for 8.25part time. i would like to say that i put in the same morals into amway that i do for my job... i work hard... i moved up really fast in positions at my job in just six months than other people who have been there for 3 years who also work hard. i put that moral into amway.. and i make money... not much... but i make the same amount i earn at my job... n i only work 4 hours max on amway lolz! i know not u h commitment. but i have the balls to say i work the hardest business in the world.. i work with people. who runs this world? computers.. ur trippin! computers dont give u attitudes. people can though. people are the hardest to convince in anythin and once you have become succesful in amway you can become it in almost anything else. what ive learned most in being in amway is that you have to work really hard because there are many people trying to get rich. but hve fun getting to the top. met people. not just sit ina office all day. i know im also making many contradictions and many people might think im ignorant.. i dont need facts like other people. i dont need an article to prove me right or wrong. all i need is to know that im working hard. and i do plan on doing more in amway and getting mre money and when i do.. who cares what i get in the end. i get money, no matter how much.. i am like everyone else and i am not pressuring anyone to join amway... many people do not make it as a diamond. but diamond isnt meant for everyone.. im in college, i still wanna work in my profession for what im studying for. oh and if u want i could introduce you to a dozen more people who did not make it in amway. it just wasnt meant for them. but not every job is meant for anybody. amway is hard. but it is rewarding both financially and morally. oh and for anyone saying that ibo's dont care for anyone else.... that itself is a stereotype if you will. every person is different.. most people would know that. u probably dont have the same attitude as your neighbor or coworker or whatever. but to be succesful in amway.. u have to help your downlines. when u help them. guess what... you help them make money... does that sound like a bad person? maybe theyre not doing it to feel good because they helped someoe, probably just to make some money for themeselves, but does it matter..? a favor is a favor. and people wok to make money. besides you know i always find the grumpiest people to be the ones that have little money.. thyre the singiest, if you will. but that could produce from working anywhere, everyon from working at amway. but dnt take it personally if someone is being stingy or rude or rudely persistent. its not personal. if u do take it personally. u then become the asshole for no being understanding. and OMG! I am going to slap anyone who says reading books and listening to cd's is the worst thing you can do or associate them to ibo's for one like i said i am an ibo.... and i do not read them constantly! since when is reading bad!?!?!?!?!??!?!?! since when is learning something new bad? oh and how is motivation bad? when was the last time you self motivated yourself in your job? not many people do when your doing the same thing over and over again. and if you have never heard one of the cd's then i suggest you do. there are many interesting things to learn from them. even if you are not in amway. they talk about financial success. i has been a while since i heard someone say they didnt want to be financially free. so why wouldnt they hear something like it. instead of watching tv for half an hour. you never know, you might learning ALOT from it. ive listened to a few and a couple that didnt even mention amway... there are hundreds out there. choose one you like.. whatever its your choice. its also your choice if you want to work hard.. thats how youll make money. i only know one person in amway. and thats my upline and i love him to death. he is my inspiration beacuse he works hard and he does great for himself and is extremely happy. making some money is not hard in amway and if your not in it dont look at the numbers of what people win... those are averages.. do u wanna be average????????
please reply if ud like
Good bye : )
please reply if ud like
Good bye : )
- JM
Reply to JM
by Nik Sarcozy on Sun Feb 05, 2012 3:43 am
Dear JM,
I tried to follow the path that you took us on there, but realized that there wasn't one.
Forums are more reader friendly with a paragraph style of a few sentences.
Even single sentence paras are better than the eye-straining jumble you assaulted us with.
If you read any of the posts before you may note that no one said you were ignorant. One person mentioned that he wished his friends success. Another said that she felt pressured by her friend and made to feel bad for not joining. And no one said anything about computers being harder to deal with than people. One commenter did insult another by saying that having a goal of owning 5 rental homes was unambitious, but alluded to 5 apartment complexes maybe impressing someone less cool than him.
If the above rambling is your future speaking on stage, it's a good thing you have plenty of time to develop it. Or, as Dexter Yager would pronounce it, "develp."
Nik
I tried to follow the path that you took us on there, but realized that there wasn't one.
Forums are more reader friendly with a paragraph style of a few sentences.
Even single sentence paras are better than the eye-straining jumble you assaulted us with.
If you read any of the posts before you may note that no one said you were ignorant. One person mentioned that he wished his friends success. Another said that she felt pressured by her friend and made to feel bad for not joining. And no one said anything about computers being harder to deal with than people. One commenter did insult another by saying that having a goal of owning 5 rental homes was unambitious, but alluded to 5 apartment complexes maybe impressing someone less cool than him.
If the above rambling is your future speaking on stage, it's a good thing you have plenty of time to develop it. Or, as Dexter Yager would pronounce it, "develp."
Nik
- Nik Sarcozy
Re: How much amway platinum earns?
by Sweets McGee on Fri Apr 27, 2012 11:24 am
I can honestly say that I have learned nothing after reading this whole forum. There were a couple of good article links and some spam, but the chatter is just useless drivel of people disagreeing with each other and no one learning a darn thing.
Then again, I guess that's all forums when you think about it.
Then again, I guess that's all forums when you think about it.
- Sweets McGee
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